The leading epidemiologist whose controversial report predicting a potential coronavirus death toll of more than 500,000 in the UK has never actually met Boris Johnson, he has revealed.
Professor Neil Ferguson, dubbed ‘Professor Lockdown’ because his report prompted the government’s decision to put a lockdown in place in March, said he never had a one-on-one with the Prime Minister because that is “not the way science advice works in the UK”.
In a wide-ranging interview in the New Statesman, Prof Ferguson said he thought the UK government had a “more nuanced and detailed understanding of what we knew and what we didn’t about the virus than any other government”, but was too slow in dealing with it.
In his latest interview, he told the New Statesman: “I never met Johnson, I never had one-on-ones, it’s not the way science advice works in the UK.
“It all goes through Sage [the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies] and then the scientific consensus is communicated to Johnson by Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance.”
He said he did have some conversations “on the margins of Sage meetings with No 10 special advisers”, but added: “that was the closest I got to any politician”.
The epidemiologist, who resigned from his post on Sage after flouting lockdown rules by receiving visits from his lover at his home, said he didn’t know what the “perfect” system was but compared the way UK scientific advice works to France, after his own report was reportedly shown directly to French President Emmanuel Macron by a colleague in what was a key factor in him deciding to lock the country down.
“In other European countries, like France, a small group of scientists – experts on the disease - directly talked to the politicians,” he said.
“Here, we have this interface layer, which does stop charismatic individuals unduly influencing policy.”
He questioned whether having “a very nuanced, reflective, risk-adverse scientific advisory system going into policy” resulted in an agile system that could deal adequately with something like the coronavirus pandemic.
In his interview, which comes as tighter restrictions were imposed on parts of the north west of England amid concerns that infection rates are rising, Prof Ferguson warned that the UK is still in the “early stages” of the pandemic.
“It’s going to be more difficult moving into the autumn,” he told the New Statesman. “We’re not going to get back to anything close to normal life for the foreseeable future – not until we have a vaccine.”
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